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Graceland/Neverland
7/3/2009 9:36 am Last Read: |
On the news this morning, I caught the tail end of some guy being interviewed about Neverland becoming the equivalent of Graceland. The guy was talking about bringing the animals back and how eventually he and the family hoped that Jackson's remains could be buried there. His biggest selling point was that Neverland is much larger than Graceland as if that makes some difference. I'm sure that a lot of kids had a lot of fun at Neverland and have great memories of that place. In a way, I can see it as being a great place for kids to have fun again. Of course, it will be costly now to see the place and have that fun. The thing that I cannot get beyond is what supposedly happened in that mansion. To make a shrine of the mansion seems beyond unbelievable. "And to your right, ladies and gentlemen, is the bedroom where boys slept with Mr. Jackson." It sends chills up and down my back to think that that mansion could be considered a wonderful place to be. Maybe they should rename it "Neveragainland." Do I believe that Elvis Presley lived some exemplary lifestyle? No. Do I have a problem with Graceland? No! I consider it a tribute to a man's music and impact on music. Do I think Mr. Jackson's music merits a tribute? Yes. Do I believe that Neverland being restored to a "theme park" for kids is proper? No. Fill those rooms with tributes to his music and his videos, etc. but leave kids out of it! Get rid of all the rides, etc. and sell off that part of the property so that nothing remains of that aspect of what was. As time passes and as people such as this British guy now saying that Jackson had a ten year relationship with some unknown woman ... lol ... it seems that the rewriting of history has begun. Would you tour Neverland? Me ... not only no, but Hell no! Whitney |
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7/5/2009 7:59 pm |
I hate to disagree with you Whitney, cuz we usually are so close in thinking about things. May I ask if you've ever been selected for a jury panel? Because it seems to me that you've tried and convicted Mr. Jackson of things that were never PROVEN beyond a reasonable doubt in a court of law, or by Nancy Grace on her angry white woman TV show. Oh, they tried, but never quite succeeded. Now, with that said, I am a fan of Mr. Jackson's music, and that is all. I really never have understood his choices for his personal life, and I don't intend to. I personally, don't believe that he molested any boys in that mansion, or anywhere else for that matter. I don't believe anyone but the parties involved will EVER know, and now one of them is deceased. Now, if there are tell-all books that are written, I believe it will be for money only, not to actually tell the truth. How will anyone ever know? It'll all be a one-sided story from now on. When children are involved, everyone is always so quick to think the worst, and accuse an adult of something. That is not always the case, and I believe it's happened a number of times. I know they are only movies, but take a look at "The Children's Hour", and "The Bad Seed" again. Children are not always the most reliable witnesses, and can be master manipulators at the same time. Especially when they are motivated by something, or someone to do so. Poox Whitney
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 7/4/2009 1:55 am |
Neverland Valley Ranch (formerly the Sycamore Valley Ranch) is a developed property in Santa Barbara County, CA, most famous for being Michael Jackson's former home during 1988-2005. It is named after Neverland, the fantasy island in the story of Peter Pan, who never grows up. The ranch is located about five miles north of unincorporated Los Olivos and about 8 miles north of the town of Santa Ynez. The property covers an area of over 2,800 acres. On November 10, 2008, Jackson transferred the title to Sycamore Valley Ranch Company, LLC. The area surrounding Neverland previously consisted of working ranches. Today, the area is made up of vineyards. On the other hand, Graceland is a large white-columned mansion and 13.8-acre estate that was home to Elvis Presley. It is located at 3734 Elvis Presley Boulevard in Memphis, TN in South Memphis' vast Whitehaven community about 12 miles from Downtown and less than 4 miles north of the Mississippi border. It currently serves as a museum. It was opened to the public in 1982, was listed in the National Register of Historic Places on November 7, 1991 and was declared a National Historic Landmark on March 27, 2006. Presley, who died at the estate on August 16, 1977; his parents, Gladys and Vernon Presley; and his grandmother are buried there in what is called the Meditation Gardens. It appears that I agree with the respondents typing the responses to you that it's unnecessary to visit either of those two iconic "shrines" as I don't want to worship false idols as written in one of the 10 Commandments. Even when it comes to celebrate their deaths, I don't need to visit their graves as we must continue with our lives although we'll never forget them in our hearts. By the way, the funeral service set up by AEG Live will be held at the Staples Center in downtown LA on 7/7/09 (Tues.), but I don't want to travel there as hundreds of fans from all walks of life will drop by to pay their respects.
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7/3/2009 9:42 pm |
Hey Whitney no jokes from me this time. I agree with all that you said. But I would never go to Neverland or even Graceland. Glen Whitney
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7/3/2009 9:35 pm |
Hey Whitney no jokes from me this time. I agree with all that you said. But I would never go to Neverland or even Graceland. Glen
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7/3/2009 9:25 pm |
Hell No! XOXO Jack Whitney
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7/3/2009 7:33 pm |
Hell No! XOXO Jack Take the road less travelled.
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7/3/2009 5:53 pm |
Thanks Whitney! For explaining the laws of Calif. I don't live in that state either. I'm 3000 miles away in New York. Thanks! C. Whitney
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7/3/2009 5:46 pm |
Hey there and thanks for sharing your perspective! I am sure that there are a lot of people who agree with you. I don't know what laws exist in California regarding burial on private property, but if it is legal, then there's no one to decide such other than his family since he left no statement regarding such in his will. A problem with burial on private property could have to do with continued ownership of the property and there being no guarantee that the property might not be sold at some time in the future ... not likely in this case .. but it could. I am a fan of his music, and I totally agree that he was brilliant and a genius as a performer who was very well paid and honored during his lifetime. I would far prefer that they build some building as a museum to him however. Thanks again for sharing your thoughts! Take care! For explaining the laws of Calif. I don't live in that state either. I'm 3000 miles away in New York. Thanks! C.
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7/3/2009 4:52 pm |
Whitney, Shrines are not necessary for the achievements of music artists to be remembered. For fans of these two men, their lifestyles should be a detraction. If one wants to relive what made them great, play their music. David PS. Jackson's music does little for me. He was a good dancer but it struck me as rather ridiculous seeing overtly sexual performances by man with a that face and legs like pipe cleaners. Elvis's voice was beautiful and, before obesity, so were his looks. ;P Whitney
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7/3/2009 4:35 pm |
You are going to have a variety of comments on here on this subject. I watched Larry King live last night broadcasting from Neverland Valley Ranch. It is a very beautiful ranch that they took the TV viewers through. I'm a Michael Jackson fan and I loved his music. Just because others ranchers live around and near by to the Neverland Valley Ranch it is not up to them to say that Michael Jackson can't be buried on his own property. Even though he was in a partnership with some other person. I'm not the only person on here that is a fan. There is others that I assume are fans too. Michael Jackson was brilliant,& genius being the King of Pop. Whitney
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7/3/2009 4:14 pm |
Whitney, Shrines are not necessary for the achievements of music artists to be remembered. For fans of these two men, their lifestyles should be a detraction. If one wants to relive what made them great, play their music. David PS. Jackson's music does little for me. He was a good dancer but it struck me as rather ridiculous seeing overtly sexual performances by man with a that face and legs like pipe cleaners. Elvis's voice was beautiful and, before obesity, so were his looks. ;P
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7/3/2009 4:00 pm |
You are going to have a variety of comments on here on this subject. I watched Larry King live last night broadcasting from Neverland Valley Ranch. It is a very beautiful ranch that they took the TV viewers through. I'm a Michael Jackson fan and I loved his music. Just because others ranchers live around and near by to the Neverland Valley Ranch it is not up to them to say that Michael Jackson can't be buried on his own property. Even though he was in a partnership with some other person. I'm not the only person on here that is a fan. There is others that I assume are fans too. Michael Jackson was brilliant,& genius being the King of Pop.
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7/3/2009 3:41 pm |
I think it would be a large disrespect to make NEVERLAND a shrine for M.J. !!! The main reason would be because Michael himself could not live there anymore, after what had happened to him, then why should he be buried somewhere where his spirits had been broken ! Second, while watching the different TV shows on this, the newscast always showed M.J. secret closet, and always needed to mention that was where he placed personal things, so that no one would know about him, and made it sound so filthy !!! I prefer to remember him for his talents, and his contributions to the music and dance !!! If anything, let them build a place where all of his memories will be remembered for the positives in life !!! Charlie  Whitney
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7/3/2009 3:29 pm |
I think it would be a large disrespect to make NEVERLAND a shrine for M.J. !!! The main reason would be because Michael himself could not live there anymore, after what had happened to him, then why should he be buried somewhere where his spirits had been broken ! Second, while watching the different TV shows on this, the newscast always showed M.J. secret closet, and always needed to mention that was where he placed personal things, so that no one would know about him, and made it sound so filthy !!! I prefer to remember him for his talents, and his contributions to the music and dance !!! If anything, let them build a place where all of his memories will be remembered for the positives in life !!! Charlie
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7/3/2009 1:48 pm |
I have a big problem with shrines in general a waste of space. Whitney
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7/3/2009 1:46 pm |
Hmmm... Would I tour Neverland? As a father of 4 I want to say "no" but then again, how much worse could it be than subjecting them to a Catholic Church service over Easter? Catholic Priests also have a "reputation" for taking advantage of young boys. And in holding such a lofty position of "spiritual" authority I argue that the Catholic Church is far worse than making a "shrine" of Michael Jackson's Neverland. EXCELLENT POST DUDE! Boy you sure do make me think things... Whitney
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7/3/2009 1:25 pm |
I have a big problem with shrines in general a waste of space.
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7/3/2009 1:17 pm |
I have no problem with making a shrine out of Neverland. I never got into Jacksons music, but that doesn't mean he wasn't great at his craft. I agree with you that whatever is done it should not be aimed at children. Even if he really never touched a child sexually, which I doubt, his relationship with them was inapropriate. I know from experience what sexual abuse can do to a kid. Even when you love the abuser. I would feel better about making places shrines for people if I thought it was for any reason but money. I have sympathy for Michael Jacksons family, but I can't see making a god out of any man. Whitney
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7/3/2009 12:30 pm |
Hmmm... Would I tour Neverland? As a father of 4 I want to say "no" but then again, how much worse could it be than subjecting them to a Catholic Church service over Easter? Catholic Priests also have a "reputation" for taking advantage of young boys. And in holding such a lofty position of "spiritual" authority I argue that the Catholic Church is far worse than making a "shrine" of Michael Jackson's Neverland. EXCELLENT POST DUDE! Boy you sure do make me think things... "Make it so." - Capt. Jean-Luc Picard, USS Enterprise
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7/3/2009 10:36 am |
Given the location of Neverland Ranch in the Santa Ynez valley, I seriously doubt that the neighboring ranchers would put up with the tourism part, again...just as they hated all the traffic and hoopla they had to endure at Ronald Reagan's Rancho Cielo, during his administration. It's a beautiful valley and I've driven through it many times on my way up to Solvang and Paso Robles..an alternate route on a two-way highway that gets you off the freeway (101), for a while. Whitney
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7/3/2009 10:18 am |
Given the location of Neverland Ranch in the Santa Ynez valley, I seriously doubt that the neighboring ranchers would put up with the tourism part, again...just as they hated all the traffic and hoopla they had to endure at Ronald Reagan's Rancho Cielo, during his administration. It's a beautiful valley and I've driven through it many times on my way up to Solvang and Paso Robles..an alternate route on a two-way highway that gets you off the freeway (101), for a while. Best regards, Callman
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